On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:03:01 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 04:58 am, Michael Torrie wrote: When the cursor is over character, do command 'ga' and it will show you the hex code for that character. /me cries Every time somebody refers to 'the ASCII value' of non-ASCII characters, God kills a puppy. No wonder people find it so hard to understand Unicode. They have to unlearn a bunch of misapprehensions first. I LOVE crocodiles especially the crocodile-tears variety The title says get ASCII value; the first line of the writeup says ASCII or Unicode. If python were to do more than lip service to REALLY being a unicode age language why are things like this out of bounds even for discussion?

Note: Please make a distinction between - Any ONE of these suggestions; none of which need to be taken too seriously individually And - The simple barefaced fact that not a single lexeme from python3 apart from comments and identifiers allow elements from the set Unicode - ASCII. Of which comments are arguably not in the language And uncode identifiers are an opened pandora box with bigger disadvantages than advantages. On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:06:41 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote: I have greater horror-stories to describe if you like On my recent ubuntu upgrade my keyboard broke - totally ie cant type anything. Here's a detailed rundown. Upgrade complete; reboot - NO KEYBOARD - Yikes However login works in X - after login. GONE And ttys (Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc) fine; no issue. Searched around.

'Uninstall ibus' seems to be the advice. No go Some Unity issue it looks? Installed xfce (from tty) Again after few days (some upgrade dont remember which) keyboard broken Um Now what to install?

Created a new login. Problem gone. Well whats the problem?? Well whatever!!

Finally by chance discovered that the problem was probably uim uim is an alternative to ibus I had installed it to make this work: which is aimed precisely at removing this pain: Umm that comes across as an inversion and misrepresentation. Uim got UNINSTALLED in the upgrade I did it and forgot? It automatically happened??

Dont remember No uim; no ibus; no input method evidently. On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:05:55 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Larry Hudson: It sounds like you are almost, but not quite, describing the Linux Compose key. I have used Linux since the 1990's but don't know anything about 'the Linux Compose key.'

It used to be a real (aka hardware) key: See pics (On the other hand, I have always specified my preferred keyboard layout with.Xmodmap.) If this is being given as advice its bad advice xmodmap is obsolete use xkb Does this make life easier?? Didnt say so:-) This particularly nasty bug: h ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/998310 I believe I witnessed when I tried to use xmodmap. Rustom Mody: On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:05:55 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: (On the other hand, I have always specified my preferred keyboard layout with.Xmodmap.) If this is being given as advice I never gave it as advice.

its bad advice xmodmap is obsolete use xkb A coworker of mine went through the trouble of doing the xmodmap equivalent with setxkbmap. Thought of interviewing him about it one day. How-to's are really hard to come by: - no good - no good - interesting but assumes root access - no good etc etc This particularly nasty bug: I believe I witnessed when I tried to use xmodmap I do run into that when I place my laptop on the docker. I know to expect it, wait for ten or so seconds, and I'm on my way. I'm guessing it has to do with the X server sending the keyboard map to every X window on the display.

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So Rustom, how do.you. produce, say, Hebrew or Spanish text, or your favorite math symbols? Tim Chase: I have a /.XCompose file that contains something like My Fedora 23 setup has BEGIN /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common. userxkbmap=$HOME/.Xkbmap. if -r '$userxkbmap' ; then setxkbmap $(cat '$userxkbmap') XKBINUSE=yes fi. END /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common A somewhat surprising and scary idiom!

I suppose I could specify: BEGIN /.Xkbmap -keymap /home/marko/.keys END /.Xkbmap Then, I suppose I need to use xkbcomp to create /.keys Marko. On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 7:50:50 AM UTC+12, Tim Chase wrote: I have a /.XCompose file that contains something like include '%L' : '😖' U1F616 # CONFOUNDED FACE : '😛' U1F61B # FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE: '😛' U1F61B # FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE The 'include' pulls in the system-wide file, before adding my own compose maps. You may find your custom XCompose is ignored by certain GUI apps.

This is because the GUI toolkits they are using need to be told to pull it in (seems like XCompose is interpreted by the client side X toolkits, not the server side). So I put the following lines in my.bashrc: export GTKIMMODULE=xim export QTIMMODULE=xim.

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Mail actions: On 4/11/07, wrote: At the risk of being shot down in flames, as a Linux user I could suggest an answer - one might describe Unicode support for a OS as the proportion of software that supports certain advanced features of Unicode out of the box. What is advanced changes with time. Regarding software the unicode supoort of the out of the box text editor, word processor, web browser, spread sheet and terminal is what I would usually look at first. However let's not forget that different users will have widely differing criteria on what they consider important Unicode support. For example, most general computer users probably don't use a terminal and therefore good Unicode support in a terminal would be irrelevant to them, even though it is important to you (and it turns out it is important to me as well. But I probably don't fit the category of an 'ordinary' computer user). When Mac OS updates then tend to update across the board, which means it always scores well on such criteria.

Windows does not seem to do across the board updates, I am not sure why this is. The same could also be said of Linux, the cause being that Linux has many independent developers. Back in 2002 a good criteria was surrogate support at which point in time all the main applications on Mac OS supported surrogates, the same could not be said for Windows or Linux. Since we are talking across OSes, it's probably better to say 'support beyond the Basic Multilingual Plane'. How many people really need support for Plane 1 characters, for example? Not that many, right? By far the most important Plane 1 script in my mind is Osmanya since this is a script that is still actively used for writing the Somali language.

A revival in the use of this script may yet occur once Somalia is able to extract itself from years of civil war and clan strife. The script surely has potential to become a unifying force in a modern, post-war Somalia if only the deep-rooted history of clan factionalism can be subdued in the name of a unified nation as had been the dream of Somalis back in the 1960's. (The original 1960's dream of a Western-style democratic state in Somalia is probably no longer the prevaling dream among the younger generation now.

The dream now is perhaps more likely for a unified Islamic state. The dream of a creating a national Islamic state has the same powerful lure and ability (as did the dream of democracy) to unify people in brotherhood across clan lines. Osmanya could likewise serve an immense unifying role in creating and substantiating a national identity that transcends clan factionalism.) With the advent of modern telecommunication service (cell phones) even in war-torn Somalia today, and the enabling power of modern computers, the internet, and Unicode to permit the dissemination and printing of information in almost any script, I think it is not too far off the mark to imagine a Somalia of tomorrow in which Osmanya is widely used as an officially-sanctioned national script for the Somali language. We will just have to wait and see if the confluence of circumstances and the spark of the collective Somali imagination will result in such an occurence. (But either way, we can congratulate Michael Everson already, for it appears to me from my reading of Somali-related internet forums that he is already a national hero for his work on Osmanya. So, in conclusion, you are right: OS support beyond the BMP is crucially important, and we can imagine it becoming even more important within the short span of a few years, especially in Africa where other African scripts await encoding within Unicode.

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Other criteria one could use are support for variation selectors, or stacking diacritics. On windows one could also add which criteria which applications support fall back fonts.

What about really good support, right out-of-the-box, for input methods for major languages like Chinese, Japanese, and Korean? And what about having easily-installed or easily turned-on keyboard layouts for every script encoded in Unicode? What about having at least one good font for each of those scripts, right out-of-the box?

These areas of basic functionality would rate very highly on my list. And I think they are very important to general computer users. In conclusion, I think Peter Constable's excellent question on how to describe 'the best Unicode support of any OS out there' can best be answered by creating a web page which.objectively. describes support for various aspects of 'Unicode support' on the three major OSes: Mac OS X, Windows, and Linux. Such a web site would in fact be very useful to a large number of people. But of course it is a bit of work:-).

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And it is also hard to find people who are truly objective - too many of us -myself included!- are often too 'passionate' about one OS or another. Most often it is the OS that we have settled on using the most. Or in some people's cases, on this mailing list certainly, it is the OS they've hacked on the most because of their employment status within one of the major OS vendors or within some related company. Ed Trager Quoting Peter Constable: From: mailto: On Behalf Of Marnen Laibow-Koser Also, Mac OS X probably has the best Unicode support of any OS out there I'm curious: how would you describe 'the best Unicode support of any OS out there'? Peter. Next message:.

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